Head to head

StuG IV vs SU-85

Two vehicles side by side — expected values from the XVM reference, measured values from the stored profiles.

First tank
StuG IV
StuG IV
Tier V Tank Destroyer Germany
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Second tank
SU-85
SU-85
Tier V Tank Destroyer Soviet Union

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Overall picture

SU-85 leads in 4 of 7 comparable metrics.

Only mutually independent values are counted: win rate, average WN8 and the five expected values. Battle count measures popularity rather than strength, and the MoE thresholds are arithmetically the same figure as average damage — both stay out.

Strength profile

Five axes side by side

Each axis is scaled to the range of the tiers involved: the outer edge is the best value of the tier, the centre the weakest. The shape therefore shows where a vehicle stands among its peers — not merely which of the two numbers is larger.

Damage Kills Spotting Defence Win rate
StuG IV SU-85

Measured stats

Measured, not estimated

50.25 %

Win rate

3.0 % difference

51.78 %
1,293

Avg. WN8

1.6 % difference

1,272
13,573

Battles

59.5 % difference

33,497

Expected values per battle

XVM reference

542

Avg. damage

5.9 % difference

577
1.08

Avg. kills

3.8 % difference

1.13
0.62

Avg. spotted

12.9 % difference

0.54
1.47

Avg. defence

12.1 % difference

1.29
53.12 %

Exp. win rate

2.2 % difference

54.34 %

Marks of Excellence

Lower is better

The bar shows the combined damage required for each mark of excellence. All six bars share one scale — the shorter one marks the vehicle on which the mark is easier to earn.

1 Mark
StuG IV 895
SU-85 951
2 Marks
StuG IV 1,302
SU-85 1,384
3 Marks
StuG IV 1,681
SU-85 1,787

Approximation based on WN8 expected values — not an official Wargaming figure.

Standing within the tier

Percentile among all vehicles of the same tier

Both vehicles are measured against their own tier, not against each other. That keeps a cross-tier comparison readable: the percentage states which share of the vehicle’s own tier scores worse.

StuG IV Tier V
Win rate Rank 82 of 87

Better than 6 % of the tier

Avg. WN8 Rank 65 of 81

Better than 20 % of the tier

SU-85 Tier V
Win rate Rank 75 of 87

Better than 14 % of the tier

Avg. WN8 Rank 68 of 81

Better than 16 % of the tier

Best players in this duel

The three best stored profiles per vehicle

From the stored profiles, minimum 50 battles on this vehicle. Updated daily.

StuG IV
SU-85

The advantage is highlighted in the colour of its side — for the MoE thresholds that is the lower value. Expected values are reference figures for the WN8 calculation, not vehicle statistics: they state what an average player achieves in this tank.

StuG IV data sheet SU-85 data sheet